Tuesday, 7 July 2009

Mark Seifrid - Piper 'nearly Tridentine' on Justification

Given the way in which Piper's thought parallels that of Melanchthon, it should come as no surprise that some of his own statements appear to stand outside a Reformational framework in much the same ways as the problematic statements of Melanchthon do. He is able to argue, for example, that within the justified God produces "experiential righteousness" of "habitual obedience and faith", which is not as "filthy rags" (Is 64:6), but truly please God. Although he regards this "experiential righteousness" as mere evidence of justification, he understands justification at the final judgement to be contingent on an inherent righteousness: good works are a conditio sine qua non for justification! Here, he appears to me to be not only close to the untamed Melanchthon, but, in fact, nearly Tridentine in his understanding of justification. (p150 Justification: What's at Stake in the Current Debates ed. Mark Husbands and Daniel J. Treier)

6 comments:

wateristhickerthanblood said...

Wow, that is a really interesting quotation (and frightening). Is that citation of Piper from his response to NT Wright?

Nick Mackison said...

No, it's from 'The Purifying Power of Living by Faith in Future Grace', pp150-153, 326-327.

Nick Mackison said...

ps, your blog is a beast. I'm adding it to the blogroll.

wateristhickerthanblood said...

Hmm... I will have to look at that volume. Thanks.

The more I hear and read of Piper, the less I like his theology and his 'creativity' with the texts of Scripture. He absolutely refuses to see Classical covenant theology in the Bible.

Haha, thanks for the kind word about my blog. I will do likewise in adding you to my blogroll. I have recently stumbled across your blog via the Confessional Outhouse and the Heidelblog.

Keep up the stimulating posts!

- Timothy M

Derek Joseph said...

Piper's changed a lot of his views since Future Grace came out in the early nineties; I'm fairly certain he does accept the CoW now.

Brandon said...

Piper has not changed any of his views. He directs readers to Future Grace to get a fuller understanding of what he argues in "The Future of Justification." Nowhere has he accepted a CoW.

http://contrast2.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/john-pipers-justification-according-to-works/

Thanks for the headsup on that book. I'll have to check it out.