Monday, 4 May 2009

The Rape of Song of Solomon

According to Jonny Mac, Mark Driscoll has raped the Song of Solomon and exploited his congregation. Aside from the hyperbole, JMac might have a point.

8 comments:

Fiona said...

I listened to the whole series and thought it was very helpful - both to those married a while and those newly or about to be married. He raises a lot of issues that people just don't deal with, or don't believe God has a say in. I didn't think he was crude or inappropriate – just giving godly counsel and advice in an area of life which is usually taboo in the public setting. I don’t see how he can be accused of leading anyone down a carnal path just because he applied scripture to more sensitive areas of life rather than leaving people to sink or swim in their ignorance.

Andy Mac said...

Here, here Fiona. I found the series very helpful too. It did make me want to study further to test some of MD's points, but on the whole it was a great series on issues that are rarely, if even that much, preached from our pulpits both for the singles and the marrieds.

Nick Mackison said...

I know what you're saying guys. Don't get me wrong, I love Driscoll. I made the effort to hear him preach this message at a local church. My problem with it was that it was neither the time nor the place for such an address. He preached that message to a church of congregants he didn't know.

There were even children present. How would you guys like to be asked "What is oral sex?" after a church meeting by your young daughters? I rest my case.

It would be a great talk for married couples at a dedicated time, just not during the normal assemblies of the church.

David Shedden said...

Yes, I think I agree, Nicky. Even a recent John Piper blog post at Desiring God made me start to wonder about the weird obsession that some of the NeoCalvinists have with "good" sex. It's all a bit strange. Can't preachers just let married people get on with it? Or does absolutely every area of life need a Piper or Driscoll edge to it? Think I'll stop writing before I get embarrassed or embarrassing.

Fiona said...

Nicky,

Have you listened to the series or are you judging it on something you heard in the past?

Dave,

The series covered all aspects of relationships before and after marriage. At risk of making you blush, we weren't told how to "do it" properly but we were taught what God's ideal is for us before and during marriage. If you're still looking for your Prov 31 woman, listen up.

Nick Mackison said...

Fiona, I heard the message preached by the man in person at Destiny Church. I'll say again, it was great for married couples, but to machine gun info about oral sex accross a congregation is pretty daft.

David Shedden said...

Yes, Fiona, come on! Are you seriously suggesting that I need to know all the ins and outs and ups and downs of sex in marriage before I get married? It's all nonsense, and everyone with any sense knows it.

Alexander M. Smith said...

Cutting into this discussion pretty late in the day but I feel it must be said: when it doesn't come across as blasphemous, or even strange, for a pastor to be talking about fellatio from the pulpit (as well as other acts, in such explicit terms), and telling wives that they are obligated to perform this act on their husbands- in a pose taken right out of pornography- something is seriously amiss in the evangelical community. The Song of Solomon is not the kama-sutra; it is not a step by step guide on the mechanics of having sex. It is a poetic expression of marital love, with allusions, certainly, to sexual intimacy, but without saying: this verse is such and such an act. If that is how one reads the text then it has been debased.

There was a brilliant rebuke to Driscoll and his general thuggery and unChristian behaviour at this year's Shepherds' Conference at John MacArthur's church in California. And not before time. Just because he says the right things- more for shock, sometimes, than because it's the truth- doesn't make him the saviour of the church. Just because he's trendy doesn't make him the answer to our prayers. We wouldn't tolerate his behaviour in a liberal pastor, why are we doing so just because he's "one of us"? James 2:19 reminds us that speaking, or even believing, the right doctrine is no sign of faith or righteousness: the devil believes the same thing. His theology is rock solid. Something to think about the next time Driscoll unleashes an outburst of intolerance against women, or gays, or guys struggling with sexual sin or whatever else Driscoll can't be bothered dealing with because these guys just need to "nut it up" and be men.